If Trump declassified the materials as he claimed in the past how can any of the charges stand? How can he be charged with obstruction if there were no laws violated? How can this stand if the Supreme Court has previously set precedent by stating former Presidents are free to take whatever materials they desire?
I think this is another political stunt by Deep Staters to try to prevent Trump from winning the Presidency. Even if he were to be found guilty, I think it would ultimately be thrown out by the Supreme Court based on precedent.
Look up the Presidential Records Act. Trump talked about it in New Jersey yesterday. He can take whatever he wants and this is why they are trying to fit it into The Espionage Act, even more absurd than the Russia Russia Russia hoax. I have also seen it said that the very act of taking home the documents automatically declassifies them. THIS IS POLITICAL! Period.
He had the authorization to do that, but there's a process. A process he didn't do.
That's why he first returned some at the request of the National Archives, then more in a response to a federal grand jury, then hid others both from the government and his own lawyers, according to the indictment. It also has a transcript from an audio we've yet to hear where Trump acknowledges that he hadn't declassified a document, as he showed a military planning document to a guest of his.
Of course it’s political theatre. It wouldn’t surprise me if the DOJ tells the House if they stop going after their guy, Biden, they’ll make sure the Trump action fails.
Have you read the indictment? There are at least three problems with that defense.
1) He admitted he DIDN'T declassify everything. He's on tape saying, "As president I could have declassified, but now I can't."
2) The subpoena requested documents with classification markings, not classified documents. So even if he had declassified them, he still needed to hand them over.
3) I assume you're referring to executive privilege. There's no legal precedent saying that a former president can claim executive privilege against a new administration.
All true. Of course, if he had them in a electronic format instead, then all he had to do was use BleachBit to permanently erase them after getting his subpoena. Live & learn.
Ken, watch this video of attorney Robert Barnes breaking down the Trump indictment and showing how "unreal" it is. It seems that Jack Smith has a history of charging people under "novel" interpretations of the law (see John Edwards).
I think there was always the assumption that they were interspersed among other documents. I'm not quite sure how size or length of documents is relevant at all.
It's like OJ's lawyers saying he used a small knife.
Only when the “classified documents” found in Biden’s garage, Corvette, U Penn “office” etc. are given the same scrutiny, could I consider these federal indictments against President Trump anything other than more disgusting persecution and political prosecution. Add to that the bleach bit, destruction with hammers of phones, private servers and completely ignoring subpoenas committed by the gangster Hillary Clinton. Then add the very obvious corruption, admitted on video tape of Biden using his office as Vice President to forcefully coerce the removal of the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma and his son Hunter. And then add the impeachment of Trump for asking that it be investigated, and blaming Guiliani for highlighting it. Even add the suppression of evidence of Biden family pay for play on the Laptop From Hell that undoubtedly changed the 2020 outcome. I am left with a sick, disgusted, disillusioned ball of acid in the pit of my stomach and a very real fear that this time the good guys are not going to win in the end, and this noble experiment called the United States of America will be eventually expunged from the history books. I am truly so appalled by the treatment of right versus left by the DOJ, the mainstream press, the academic institutions, and so-called celebrities I think the world has gone mad. And now you, too, are adding to the fires of our destruction by reporting disgusting trends in public thought for all of us to see and acknowledge just how far we have fallen. I don’t feel enlightened or encouraged this morning. No “like” here. 😣
Try to step back and examine this case on its merits. He's accused of some really egregious stuff. Have you read the indictment?
As for the "whatabout" defense: If you get pulled over for driving 65 in a 55, you may or may not get a ticket depending on how you behave toward the officer. But if you floor it as soon as you see those flashing lights, throw a few bags of cocaine out the window, crash into another car and try to wrestle an officer, "But the guy next to me was going 65 too" is not going to be an effective defense.
None of that changes the differences in perceptions and the politicization of the DOJ, the FBI, the CDC, WEF, WHO, and every other three letter agency I can think of. My disgust goes very deep and is based on looking at the forest as a whole, not just individual trees. There IS a worldwide push for a global communist dictatorship, a reduction in the human population, digital currency for complete control of our movements - control money means control freedom. America is a historical anomaly. Listen to VDH sometime.
The justice system exists in a world of laws, not politics and wild conspiracy theories. Don't let cynical demagogues (not making any names) erode your faith in democratic institutions so thoroughly that you reject any attempt by those institutions to apply the rule of law. Have you read the indictment?
I see no reason to read the indictment. It is just words cleverly arranged to influence opinion. I see people, and I saw a very determined and disgusted persecuted Donald Trump speaking today in New Jersey. Perhaps you are correct that I am losing respect for “the rule of law” when I see it continuously used politically today. Truth has jumped off a cliff.
I think it's 100% important we see how his lawyers present their side in court. It's easy to say things like "planted evidence" but that'd have to come with some actual backup if that becomes their defense.
Spot on, Ken. This sounds like a textbook case of obstruction of justice. I'm willing to hear Trump's defense, but if half of these allegations are true, he's in huge trouble.
This is beyond ridiculous. The seriousness of the charge does not make it serious, any more than the Marxists calling anything they disagree with "racist" makes it serious. Just because the Feds are directly involved, instead of pulling Bragg's strings from behind the scene, does not make it any more "serious". Once it gets to a judge not totally compromised by the Deep State, it will get laughed out of the courtroom. Here's just one example: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/12/the-national-security-nuclear-documents-outlined-by-jack-smith-are-pure-lawfare-manipulation-defense-centered-records-not-what-media-claims
If Trump declassified the materials as he claimed in the past how can any of the charges stand? How can he be charged with obstruction if there were no laws violated? How can this stand if the Supreme Court has previously set precedent by stating former Presidents are free to take whatever materials they desire?
I think this is another political stunt by Deep Staters to try to prevent Trump from winning the Presidency. Even if he were to be found guilty, I think it would ultimately be thrown out by the Supreme Court based on precedent.
Look up the Presidential Records Act. Trump talked about it in New Jersey yesterday. He can take whatever he wants and this is why they are trying to fit it into The Espionage Act, even more absurd than the Russia Russia Russia hoax. I have also seen it said that the very act of taking home the documents automatically declassifies them. THIS IS POLITICAL! Period.
He had the authorization to do that, but there's a process. A process he didn't do.
That's why he first returned some at the request of the National Archives, then more in a response to a federal grand jury, then hid others both from the government and his own lawyers, according to the indictment. It also has a transcript from an audio we've yet to hear where Trump acknowledges that he hadn't declassified a document, as he showed a military planning document to a guest of his.
Ken, I just heard a great quote from Governor Huckabee: “Trump is fighting like the third monkey on the ark, and it’s beginning to rain!”
Hah! True indeed.
Oh aren’t they clever at implied intentions! I am buying none of it, regardless of how they word it.
Of course it’s political theatre. It wouldn’t surprise me if the DOJ tells the House if they stop going after their guy, Biden, they’ll make sure the Trump action fails.
Have you read the indictment? There are at least three problems with that defense.
1) He admitted he DIDN'T declassify everything. He's on tape saying, "As president I could have declassified, but now I can't."
2) The subpoena requested documents with classification markings, not classified documents. So even if he had declassified them, he still needed to hand them over.
3) I assume you're referring to executive privilege. There's no legal precedent saying that a former president can claim executive privilege against a new administration.
All true. Of course, if he had them in a electronic format instead, then all he had to do was use BleachBit to permanently erase them after getting his subpoena. Live & learn.
Ken, watch this video of attorney Robert Barnes breaking down the Trump indictment and showing how "unreal" it is. It seems that Jack Smith has a history of charging people under "novel" interpretations of the law (see John Edwards).
https://rumble.com/v2tn4ac-get-this-video-to-trump-barnes-breaks-down-federal-indictment-viva-frei-liv.html
Was boxes seen in photos "planted"
Greg Kelly shows Trump documents fit into 1 box
All show & No Go
Rigged evidence.
How does this stand legally?
I think there was always the assumption that they were interspersed among other documents. I'm not quite sure how size or length of documents is relevant at all.
It's like OJ's lawyers saying he used a small knife.
Only when the “classified documents” found in Biden’s garage, Corvette, U Penn “office” etc. are given the same scrutiny, could I consider these federal indictments against President Trump anything other than more disgusting persecution and political prosecution. Add to that the bleach bit, destruction with hammers of phones, private servers and completely ignoring subpoenas committed by the gangster Hillary Clinton. Then add the very obvious corruption, admitted on video tape of Biden using his office as Vice President to forcefully coerce the removal of the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma and his son Hunter. And then add the impeachment of Trump for asking that it be investigated, and blaming Guiliani for highlighting it. Even add the suppression of evidence of Biden family pay for play on the Laptop From Hell that undoubtedly changed the 2020 outcome. I am left with a sick, disgusted, disillusioned ball of acid in the pit of my stomach and a very real fear that this time the good guys are not going to win in the end, and this noble experiment called the United States of America will be eventually expunged from the history books. I am truly so appalled by the treatment of right versus left by the DOJ, the mainstream press, the academic institutions, and so-called celebrities I think the world has gone mad. And now you, too, are adding to the fires of our destruction by reporting disgusting trends in public thought for all of us to see and acknowledge just how far we have fallen. I don’t feel enlightened or encouraged this morning. No “like” here. 😣
Try to step back and examine this case on its merits. He's accused of some really egregious stuff. Have you read the indictment?
As for the "whatabout" defense: If you get pulled over for driving 65 in a 55, you may or may not get a ticket depending on how you behave toward the officer. But if you floor it as soon as you see those flashing lights, throw a few bags of cocaine out the window, crash into another car and try to wrestle an officer, "But the guy next to me was going 65 too" is not going to be an effective defense.
None of that changes the differences in perceptions and the politicization of the DOJ, the FBI, the CDC, WEF, WHO, and every other three letter agency I can think of. My disgust goes very deep and is based on looking at the forest as a whole, not just individual trees. There IS a worldwide push for a global communist dictatorship, a reduction in the human population, digital currency for complete control of our movements - control money means control freedom. America is a historical anomaly. Listen to VDH sometime.
The justice system exists in a world of laws, not politics and wild conspiracy theories. Don't let cynical demagogues (not making any names) erode your faith in democratic institutions so thoroughly that you reject any attempt by those institutions to apply the rule of law. Have you read the indictment?
I see no reason to read the indictment. It is just words cleverly arranged to influence opinion. I see people, and I saw a very determined and disgusted persecuted Donald Trump speaking today in New Jersey. Perhaps you are correct that I am losing respect for “the rule of law” when I see it continuously used politically today. Truth has jumped off a cliff.
The case on Trump & all prior are to
Distract from Biden
Make Trump pay
Hide Biden issues
& Yes Im ticked that Law Not=
ALL Politics
God call Ken but back to Trump I feel these:
Given Bad legal advice
Bad legal team'
Planted evidence?
rigged evidence.
Note the photos from the raid & now, TOO neat
& the legal pass on Comey, Hillary, etc damages
The Law is to be=
How bad it be for Trump if 1/2 true allegations?
I think it's 100% important we see how his lawyers present their side in court. It's easy to say things like "planted evidence" but that'd have to come with some actual backup if that becomes their defense.
Spot on, Ken. This sounds like a textbook case of obstruction of justice. I'm willing to hear Trump's defense, but if half of these allegations are true, he's in huge trouble.